Today, I got the distinct impression that I’m not the only person having problems with this outfit … or website, Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine.
This outfit also claims to produce “Bassics Magazine” for bass guitar players. Both are published by MI Media LLC.
Actually, I shouldn’t complain about the website. The design is great! Kudos to the designer!! Except, he doesn’t have anything to do with the magazine. He just designed the site.
Okay, I enjoy playing the guitar … or playing at it. And, I like books and magazines about things that I enjoy.
But …
What I don’t like … are people that take your money … and don’t even say “Thank You” … or even send you a receipt to acknowledge the fact that they’ve taken your money.
And …
We haven’t even gotten to discussing the product.
Well, I can’t honestly discuss the product … because I haven’t received it.
It’s been nearly three months since I paid my money and … no recognition of payment … no “Thank You” … and no product. I think there’s a name for that. I won’t use it right now … but it’s one the tip of my tongue.
I’ve written their subscription department … no response.
I’ve called their subscription department … a message stating, “We’re having problems with the post office. Please leave your name and address and we’ll send you another issue of #68 our last issue.
Well, #68 was their last issue … last year. It’s March. What about this year? Let’s see … six issues a year. That comes out to … one issue every two months … right? And, it’s March. Sounds like there’s some catching up to do.
Oh … I also tried to leave a comment on their comment page. You know the blank space just below the place where they say, “We always like to hear from you.” Well, I got some kind of “blocked server” error … several times. I’m hard headed and don’t give up easily.
Well, it’s a beautiful site … can’t argue with that … and it promises a lot … like a siren song above the crashing waves. Okay, you’ve been warned! It looks like there are some very sharp rocks and not soft sand beneath those waves.
By the way, if you guys at “Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine” have a problem with this, “Call me”. I left a message … and several e-mails.
And, you can talk to my credit card company … if you wonder where the money went.
Also, if you want a great guitar magazine, subscribe to “Acoustic Guitar Magazine“. They have a great magazine, e-letters, and a great website … that delivers on its promise. You’ll get your money’s worth … and they’ll say “Thank You”. They aren’t dedicated to “fingerstyle” but have a lot on it and you won’t feel like you’ve been “taken to the cleaners.
MAJOR UPDATE – 21 July 2009
The a comment posted on 21 July by Rich Merek included the following e-mail from an Alfred Foss who claims to be the new owner of “Fingerstyle Magazine”:
Rich,
Thanks for your email regarding the status of your Fingerstyle Guitar magazine subscription.
I recently purchased the magazine from the prior owners, MI Media, 2 weeks ago and I am working to return the magazine to a regular delivery schedule. While I acknowledge the challenges prior ownership had experienced, I wanted to personally communicate to you that I have committed the necessary resources and management changes to make sure the magazine is properly supported.
I apologize for the delay of you receiving your next issue. You will receive the next issue in about 4 weeks (it is currently finished and in production) and your subscription will continue as usual.
I have attached a press release which was just completed and will be circulated at the CAAS (Chet Atkins Appreciation Society) festival in Nashville starting Wednesday July 8th. It highlights some of the initiatives new ownership will be undertaking to make the magazine better.
I appreciate your patience and loyalty during this transition period and hope you share the same excitement I have regarding the direction Fingerstyle is going. We have some exciting new ideas and content in store for the upcoming issues. If you have any questions please contact me.
Regards,
Alf
Alfred Foss
alf@fingerstyleguitar.com
Hopefully, things will get squared away with the magazine. Until that is more positively indicated, I would continue to exercise extreme caution in dealing with the magazine under any claimed management or ownership. Note that the e-mail was apparently written prior to 7/8/2009 since it refers to an “upcoming” event on that date.
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Please note…
There is a tremendous amount of libel contained in these messages. If you don’t know the facts, I strongly recommend you don’t say anything, especially since it’s available for anyone to read.
Well Paul,
That’s a strong statement. Exactly what facts are you referring to and exactly where are they located for anyone and everyone to read?
I think everyone who has commented here … except you … have related their own set of facts concerning the magazine and there is absolutely nothing libelous about the truth.
If you have some information to enlighten everyone, then please share it
Libel refers to making false accusations and statements. I can prove my experience with the magazine as I presume others who have commented here can also … except you.
A number of people have spent considerable time trying to track down information on this elusive outfit.
So, where’s this information that’s going to prove everyone wrong. Please share it. We’re waiting.
And next message, don’t try to blow smoke up my butt.
Earl
I’ve been waiting for some peckerhead like you to comment.
Earl
Hey Paul, do you have a subscription to FingerStyle Magazine? Have you been screwed by this company yet? If you would like to read my comments I wouldn’t mind a bit and I invite Mr. Foss to do so too. I can prove everything I wrote. Sounds like you might have some law training…why not put it to good use. Why not go after the people responsible. And if not, maybe you shouldn’t be giving advise. What are they (the owners and publishers) going to do to me anyway…cancel my subscription?
Stan,
This guy doesn’t know anything about law. And he sure as hell doesn’t know what constitutes libel.
Earl
Earl,
I agree with you. Thought I’d give him the benefit of doubt. My question is still…does he have a subscription or was going to get one? Will have to wait for him to reply.
Thanks Earl for this site.
Hey Paul………Bite me!! Who are you anyway? You sound like you’re probably a friend of Bill Piburn, who once became offensive to an email I sent to all personnel with email addresses in FG magazine. Bill claimed he was an independent writer who was not affiliated with the structure of FG magazine, yet Bill is the editor of FG mag. Like Stan mentioned, if you subscribed to FG mag, then you would have been screwed just like the rest of us, but since you made your “libel” comment, I highly doubt you are a subscriber. So pound sand!
Evidently, some people, as long as they’re compensated, don’t care how the money was obtained … even if they’re complicit through their reputation in its procurement.
These people took us for a ride! What a birthday present. A 2 yr subscription payed for in feb. ‘09 and nothing. My wife spoke to someone in April but he was the order taker and said they were backlogged. My wife is sick of calling and or trying to get our money back. Who can help?
Rudy,
Sorry to hear about your problems … but not surprised. Mr. Foss is treating people who have ongoing subscriptions but subscribed prior to the “new ownership” either like they don’t exist or like the magazine has gone through Chapter 11 and he has no obligation to them … pretty shabby.
The magazine as well as the new and old owners all have Facebook pages. You could try getting through any censorship and see if you can get some response there. Read through the comments and you’ll find information about whom you could contact in the state of New York where the magazine has been based. the publishing company is another matter since they’re based in Calfornia. If the state has a department of Consumer affairs you might try complaining there. There are also a number of guitarists who have been involved with the magazine in supplying or editing content. They SHOULD have some concern about being associated with a magazine of questionable reputability which, in my opinion affects their reputability. Also, if you can find a list of advertisers, complain to them. Their reputation is more at stake, and, in all probability, would provide the basis for the magazine being profitable. Also, complain to your credit card company if a card was used. Unfortunately, it’s probably been a little long in your case for them to do anything to recover your money if a card was used. I just got in under the line and got my money back.
The advantage of a bimonthly publication, and especially one that doesn’t put a date on their publication, is that the subscriber is left sitting and waiting in comfortable expectation of eventual delivery until it’s too late.
One downside of the Internet is that it doesn’t have the same protections as the postal service where a claim for mail fraud could be made.
If enough people complain, someone will listen. Or, if the right person complains, everyone will listen.
Earl
I live in Italy. My last issue was #66.
I paid for a back issue (I have been a subscriber since issue #1 but one was lent and never returned) and CDs to replace the earlier cassettes, plus two years renewal subscription (overseas).
This was in January!
Can we get a class action going?
Christopher,
I get the gist of what you’re saying … regarding your subscriptions and all … and appreciate your frustration. Now … be very specific about what you’ve paid for and what you haven’t received. That’s what’s a little confusing.
If I’m understanding you right, you’ve been a subscriber since the beginning and have received all issues through #66 ( didn’t get #67 or #68, or #69). Someone borrowed and kept one of your issues.
So, in January (of 2009?), you ordered: 1) a 2 year renewal, 2) a replacement for the missing issue, and 3) CD’s to replace early issues that came with cassettes … ??
And, so far, … haven’t received anything … not even the new issue, #69? Did I get all of that right? Did your order qualify for the set of strings also?
Remember, unless this outfit has been through bankruptcy and had the slate cleaned and creditors properly notified, as I understand business, when you buy a business you buy its liabilities as well as its assets. My suspicion is that the true “ownership” of this outfit, in spite of Mr. Foss’ claims, is as murky as the bottom of a cesspool. What sort of business moron would buy a business and ignore his old clientele or customer base …, unless is some sort of “naive” or ulterior way, he thinks he’s simply starting up “anew”?? NOT!!!
Earl
Hi Earl – thanks for the reponse.
Yes you got it right. I have been a subscriber since issue one and had got used to slow delivery, and even had second copies sent express when undelivered (happened twice)
I wanted to get issue #4 as I had lent it to a friend and not seen it again, and a CD that I had simply lost. I wanted too to upgrade to CDs for the cassettes sent with the early issues.
I requested this back in January 2009 and Ron Garant quoted me the price and suggested renewing the subscription (I had 2 issues still to receive on the old subscription).
The cost for all this was $204.30.
I accepted and gave my credit card details (fortunately perhaps, it was a “virtual” single use number, valid for up to 300 Euros within 5 days – or am I being cynical?)
Since then nothing – just reminders from me. FInding your notes, I also sent an email to the address Alfred Foss placed in his response, but zilch.
I had dinner with Pete Huttlinger when he visited Italy in May and he mentioned that there were “ownership” issues and that they should be cleared up. He’s now a contributor and I had thought about raising the issue with him, but I doubt he can do much.
I notice from the posts that we fingerstylists are nothing if not long-suffering!
I’ll update you if anything should occur, but this side of the Atlantic is likely to be late with the news!
All the best
Thanks for the clarification and confirmation of information, Christopher.
Geez!!! This Ron Garant is a real sleaze bag!!
If I’m not mistaken, he still “owns” MMI Media, or whatever … , which, as far as I know, is still the publisher of the magazine. This is the outfit that operates out of a mail box in a strip mall in California … although he is purported to live somewhere on the east coast.
If I were you, I’d get in touch with Pete Huttlinger and let him know what’s going on with you. As long as these people are supported by reputable musicians, they’ll continue to use the known musicians to rip off unsuspecting subscribers. The guys that contribute to this magazine should support the subscribers … not blindly be hoodwinked and used by disreputable con artists. They may think that the subscribers’ losses don’t affect them, but what value does a person put on his or her reputation? THAT should be worth more than money.
Earl
I got my issue #69 today in the mail. I also got a seperate email from Mr. Foss asking if I had recieved it yet. It looks like things are still slow to be resolved for outstanding issues but at least there is an actual product at this point.
Visiting Lawrence Kansas last weekend to see Gogol Bordello and saw issue 69 on sale at Mass Street music!
Nancy,
Thanks for the update. That’s encouraging. We’ll keep our fingers crossed.
Earl
I received a subscription form a relative as a welcome back gift when I returned from Iraq. I got a free pack of strings and 3 issues over two years. Now I am not a math wiz but that doesn’t add up to what they advertise. I emailed and complained to them but nothing in response. I didn’t goto the BBB just simply because somebody else bought it for me. I thought maybe it was just y dumb luck from moving so dang much when I was in the Army. I hope you all have more luck in the future, but i am done with them.
Jim,
Thanks for the comment.
I just rechecked their site by “googling” it. Out of the 3 sites listed ahead of my post, two are inactive including the “www.fingerstyleguitar.com”. Of interest is that their using the “http://www.bassics.com” address for the active website … an interesting holdover from “the past”.
I also noticed they’re still advertising old issues for sale … even though I’ve heard no indication that they’ve honored previous orders for these issues or made an effort to honor previous and ongoing subscriptions with issues due. Yet, either in a comment here or on another site, someone stated that the “New owner” passed out “thousands” of “free” copies of Issue #68 at the Chet Atkins affair back in July.
Frankly, in my opinion, you’d have to get several dozen Orek vacuum cleaners to create the same amount of suction as this outfit is creating.
Good luck.
Earl
By the way,
I refrained from joining their Facebook page.
The word “friend” still has literal meaning to me … and I’m particular about who I allow access to my information on Facebook.
For the record …
Earl
Earl & Others,
I received issue #69 from FG magazine. Hopefully this means the new owner(s) will follow through with their promise to deliver all membership subscriptions on a regular delivery schedule.
Thank you Earl for this web site! I know it has helped many people to make an informed decision regarding the purchase of an FG magazine subscription, and the rest of us a place to vent our frustrations. Keep up the good work! God bless.
Dave Walker
Thanks for the update, Dave.
I’m going to keep my finger crossed for everyone who has invested in the new Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine with their subscriptions.
And remember, a subscription is an investment … and a contract … not fulfilled until all of the products promised in the subscription are delivered … or the money is returned.
Earl
I agree with your comments Earl. The contract is not fulfilled until all obligations are completed. With me, FG magazine has 10 issues & 20 months to go and a set of strings. We will see if they complete that contract as well as the other subcribers, and if they can survive the costs.
Dave
Thanks, Dave.
Exactly!!!!
That’s my point.
Without a declared bankruptcy and purchase from that, the new owners bought the magazine … and its obligations … including the promised guitar strings. Absolutely.
How can someone “own” a magazine and not, until recently, control the rights to its previous issues? That’s sounds like either very dumb or a very lame excuse … and neither bodes well.
Earl
Then I will wait for mine. I am in California. I have received nothing yet. If it does NOT come within the week, I will report back that they haven’t fixed their problem.
I am afraid that if I contact THEM, they will simply NOT RESPOND.
I am NOT sanguine about FG fulfilling their obligation to print every two months for six issues a year.
I have received exactly 2 issues in over 2 years since I initially subscribed. I fully expect them to go back to their usual incompetent routine of sending out a “consolation” issue and then disappearing for another year. At that rate, my heirs may be receiving the final issues of my subscription.
It isn’t just this ONE issue that is at stake. It is ALSO wether they are competent enough to print a magazine on a REGULAR SCHEDULE and send out ALL the issues that they have promised people.
Peter,
Your comment speaks for itself. I hear what you’re saying and totally agree.
Earl
I am also in California Pete. I received my issue on Saturday 10/10/09.
Dave
I checked on Saturday but received nothing. I also checked yesterday — Monday. Nothing. The magazine has not responded to e-mail sent to it. At this point nothing but a real copy of the magazine will convince me — since so many excuses have been made.
I don’t think the mail was delivered yesterday, Columbus Day, Peter.
If it doesn’t come today, then get mad!!
Earl
It arrived. It is issue 69, with no month or year of issue indicated. I hope that does not mean that issue 70 will arrive in October 2010, which is what has been happening for the last couple years. The editors have managed to push out one issue a year.
By the way, one of the reasons that this annoys me is that, among other things, I have been an editor. I used to print a bimonthly newsletter for an art museum for which I also edited exhibition catalogs (books). If I had failed to print the newsletter every two months, I would have been out of a job.
Fingerstyle Guitar is going to have a hard time enlisting bookstores and news stands to carry the magazine if they cannot promise its regular appearance.
In any case, someone’s comments reminded me that they also owe me a set of strings that they promised in the subscription advertisement to which I responded.
But I would give that up for a simple commitment to publish on a regular schedule (6 issues per year) as promised.
I was also wondering when the magazine was going to arrive in the mail. The other day I sent a message to the subscription email and never received a reply.
Yes, if the mag went out of business, they need to reimburse everyone. While for each person it is not much money, however the owners of the mag surely would have pocketed enough money to make it illegal to not provide a product after it was paid for.
An additional comment regarding this topic was posted under “About Earl” on 10/10/2009.
I can’t believe it but I just got No 69 today in the mail. It’s a shock to me. Hopefully the future issues will be on time. I’m not going to hold my breath.
Just wanted to give all the update.
Stan
Thanks for the info, Stan.
Should we all hold our breaths?????
Earl
“Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine” has a Facebook page:
Facebook | Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine
In a post on that site on October 2, some unknown entity affiliated with the magazine said the magazine was mailed a “few days” prior to that date.
Whatcha’ reckon??
Not many posts on it but one person has already complained on it about not getting back issues.
Maybe they need a flood of complaints.
Hi all,
I recently (July 29, 2009) paid for a subscription to Fingerstyle Magazine for my boyfriend……he used to get the magazine and liked it very much so I found it and viola…thought it would make a nice birthday present for him….his birthday is in Oct.
Well, MI Media got there money – posted to credit card promptly on the 31st of July…payee MI Media……thought it said that the magazine had new owners on a letter they sent to you dated in early July….duhhhhh wonder what that could mean???)
(As per previous post where it indicated: MAJOR UPDATE – 21 July 2009
The a comment posted on 21 July by Rich Merek included the following e-mail from an Alfred Foss who claims to be the new owner of “Fingerstyle Magazine”: and that the email by Mr. A. Foss was dated prior to July 8th.”)
Anyway, on my way to that lovely website to shoot off a not so lovely email and thank them for my NOT having a birthday present now after having tried to get one with two months advanced purchase!!!!! If it is NOT the same company (ie the new ownership stuff) then how come the same company is getting paid for the product that NONE of us is GETTING???@@@@
I hope this all gets solved because I hear this used to be a really really good magazine at one time.
Wow Ann …
I think you’ve just confirmed what a lot of us have been suspecting!!!
If this magazine “went to press” on 6 September, how long does it take to get it in the mail and to subscribers? It’s been a month. Do you think the publishers will still claim the Post Office is eating the magazines?
The guy on the cover of the “new” magazine, Andy McKee, has a blog on Myspace, blogs.myspace.com/andymckee2 .
Maybe a polite “What’s happened to that Magazine with you on the cover?” query might get one or two people in the music industry to start asking questions. So far, it seems that they’re totally oblivious to any problem … or, as in Bill Pillburn’s case, apparently don’t care.
By the way, has anyone seen this magazine on any newsstand or in any bookstore?
Sorry Ann. I’d give someone a black eye for you if I could. This really riles me.
Earl
Well, my mistake was thinking that Borders bookstore simply stopped carrying the magazine about two and a half years ago. So I subscribed. Then nothing came; and more time passed, and nothing came. Before that (before Ron Garant?) the magazine was coming out regularly on the Borders rack. I rather suspect that the issue wasn’t that it wasn’t selling well for Borders, but that the magazine was no longer even being printed. I would be surprised if the the bookstores and news stands that used to carry it suddenly decided to carry the magazine again. After all, they were probably burned, too.
The gist of my note was going to be that NO, I have not seen the magazine on any bookstore or music store magazine rack. I have seen photos of the purported cover on the internet (on McKee’s sites), but I haven’t checked everywhere to see if a REAL copy exists. If it existed on a shelf somewhere, that might make me think that the editors were getting things together. But I haven’t seen a real copy. So right now I do not believe anything the editors say, or don’t say (they don’t respond to e-mail).
Thanks Peter,
I did a quick check on Barnes & Nobles and Books-a-Million’s websites and, although they list a number of magazines about guitar playing, there’s no listing for “Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine”. I know that may not rule out it being on their stands but I thought I’d do a quick check on that.
Earl
Hello from Paris , France
I ordered online on 09/03/05 for 1 year subscription ( 6 issues ) as well as three back issues figuring my favorite fingerpickers ( the very reason why I subscribed). On the same day I got a mail back from MI Media thanking me for my order (!) , along with a customer Id , an invoice number and a status ” paid ” . So far so good. Then I read your posts and got very disappointed …I sent a mail right away and was replied that the guy in charge of the shipping had been on a long illness ( !! ). so I thought ” well , I’d better forget about that I will never get my money back .” and stopped thinking about the matter.
So I was very surprised to find the current issue ( Andy McKee cover ) in my letter box today ( October 09th, 2009 ) !
I think that if the guys out there bothered to ship overseas then perhaps things are getting better . and maybe I’ll receive the back issues I ordered in a not so far future . Do you think I’m naive ?
I don’t really know what to think about all that .
Cheers , Jea
Thanks Earl! Well, as promised I wrote the company an email using the “subscriptions” email listed on the website and then CC for ALL other addresses listed therein….of course, as expected…no reply from anyone; not even a pretense of caring about the fleeced customers! OK, so now I guess I will go through the task of recouping the money through the credit card company AND finding my boyfriend a birthday present in the few days I have left! I have also ordered him another magazine and hope he likes it…I think it is called Acoustic Guitar…….I hope he enjoys it………oh, crap, I hope he gets it!!!! That would really be messed up if TWO magazines let me down! Anyway, I’ll keep the faith. As for Fingerstyle Magazine………it may have been a great magazine at one time but right now it seems the word for it is synonymous with the action of a baby as it feeds…if you catch my drift. OH, heads up….when you go to the Fingerstyle Magazine website and go to the area where it says “Feedback / Comments | We’d love to hear from you!” located at the bottom of the “Contact” page………I tried, after all the time typing, when you hit enter ….you’ll see this:
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Now we ALL KNOW how much the would LOVE to hear it!!!!
Now, I’m off to the myspace link you posted to see if maybe stirring that up can stir up some positive actions for the subscribers!
Ann,
Sorry I’ve taken so long to approve your post. I just got back on line.
It appears that one person, at least, has received Issue #69 (See the comment from Stan). I don’t know … Maybe hold your breath and see if your boyfriend gets one also in the next several days.
This still doesn’t address the ISSUE of all of the previous issues not being delivered, not to mention the problem for people who hae specifically ordered back issues. To me, this means there are still some MAJOR ISSUES which haven’t been addressed and totally ignored by the “new managment”.
I”ve had nothing but good experiences with “Acoustic Guitar Magazine”. I think your boyfriend will be pleased with it.
Earl
Thanks again Earl. Well, I had gone to the myspace page as I had mentioned but couldn’t leave a message…so I found the facebook page for the magazine. I DID leave a message there…you do have to be a fan to leave a message but…the good news….I did get a response and it appears (hoping as I say this that it is true) that the magazine owners are gonna make good. Here is a copy of what appeared on their facebook page :
Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine
New ownership just transitioned the back issue fulfillment operations from the old owners into our facility. ALL back issues will be mailed out this week. Apologies for the delay during this transition period. New ownership has the resources in pl…ace to make sure this does not happen again and that back issues and subscription processing will be done on a timely basis from this point forward.
I saw that there was someone who had posted that they got the magazine ….guess it would have been Saturday when they got it. Anyway, there may be a chance that they are going to make good. I also did finally get a personal response sent to my email regarding my boyfriends subscription account and it looks like they are moving forward towards solving the problem. Will keep you posted.
I have hope.
If one can write what is wrong with something then one should be equally willing to write about it when something is going right….so there you have it
GOT THE MAGAZINE!!!! And through whatever forces that be, it got here just mere days before his birthday!!!! Thought I’d let you guys know. Hope everyone else also gets theirs!
I’ve been waiting since November of 2008 to receive my first issue. I think it’s time for attorneys to get involved. They have now had plenty of time to publish several magazines now without results. Anybody else feel this way?
Let me know.
Thanks for your site.
Stan
Stan,
Thanks for your input … and I agree with you wholeheartedly about the attorneys … but who and where???
“Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine” is headquartered in New York. The publisher is headquartered in some strip mall mailbox in California. The “former” owner seems to have absconded to Canada and who knows where Alf Foss is hiding out. Any thoughts on where to start???
Earl
I don’t know where to start. Seems losing such little amount of money per person wouldn’t justify an attorney. They are making a lot of money though from a mass of people that will probably never go after them. Attorney General for New York, BBB… I’m open for ideas.
Stan
BBB, “Better Business Bureau” …
Stan, I hate to be crude but …, “How many testicles does a eunuch have?”
That’s my opinion of the BBB. If a eunuch could sire children, the BBB would be an effective organization. Arab sultans understood this concept. I was in business for a number of years. My mother owned and operated a retail business for over 40 years. I have some familiarity with the BBB.
The Attorney General of New York …
If he weren’t having so much fun with Bank of America and other Wall Street entities, he might be a possibility. I think “Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine” would bother him less than a pimple on MY butt … not his … unless he happened to be an irate subscriber like us. Then, I don’t think even international boundaries would matter.
I think New York state has a Department of Consumer Protection or Consumer Affairs. I believe someone in a previous comment mentioned this and might have given an address. I would check into that. If enough people complained to them, it might inspire them to some action … or if the right person complained … like the governor.
Otherwise, you … and all of the other people who have looked at this blog article are doing as much as anyone can. When I first posted this article, if you “googled” “Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine” you would fall asleep before you went through enough pages to get to my article. Now, it’s on page 1, right near where their website is listed. As long as enough people keep looking at this article, it will stay on page one and likely catch the attention of people interested in the magazine or fingerstyle playing and they will have the opportunity to make an informed decision. So, let’s thank all of the people who have taken a look.
I subscribed about the same time you did. After waiting 3 months, I got antsy and started making some calls. I then notified my bank and credit card company. You might still try contacting your credit card company and see if it’s still possible to get your money back. I think the best way to get at these people is to hit them where it hurts … and that’s in their wallet. Even a scam takes money to run.
If I were independently and sinfully wealthy, I’d go after these people for the sheer pleasure of it. So, they should hope I don’t win the lottery.
Earl
Thanks for your reply Earl. I’m throwing out ideas like the other person, Consumer Protection, Consumer Affairs… Seems if there is an attorney (that plays guitar) that would possibly start a Class Action Against the owner. Everyone could get in on it. I don’t really know. Again, I’m just throwing out ideas. I’d like to see more ideas.
Thanks Stan
Hi Guys,
Wow. Looks like this is really heating up since my hard drive died last week. There’s alot to digest (and my job to catch up with). How odd though. It occurred to me yesterday morning that we really need legal advice. No getting around it. I was thinking that there MUST be enough $$$ involved to constitute a class action and that I must look that up. Maybe I was channeling Stan.
I also wondered to myself exactly what Earl asked… is there not one of us that’s a lawyer!!!??. They’re everywhere else. Hell, I know I judge that’s a surfer for heavens sake. [ Mom was right, I should've skipped Jamaica, bit the bullet and just gone to law school. Spilt Milk.]
I did begin to check on rules for LLCs before the machine died. They have to be registered in one State and have something similar to Articles of Incorporation. If they do business in other states, there also has to be a filing in those states. Such as many Credit Card companies are incorporated in Delaware, though not really based there. I work for a business based in Florida. We’re a Delaware Corporation and don’t have as much as a P.O. Box there. Maybe you guys know this already. I need to find out / remember exactly what entity handles these. Must be in my files someplace.
It is illegal, though not an uncommon scheme, for partners to transfer assets (the magazine) to another LLC in an attempt to avoid outstanding debt to creditors (customers too?).
That’s a worry. I knew that LLCs protect the principals’ personal assets, it did not occur to me that they may have debt protection… such as subscriber’s money, if in fact they do (assuming the transfer can’t be proven to be for that purpose).
My gut feeling is that these guys are sharp, may even BE lawyers, and are way ahead of us. Thus the need for legal advice from a sharp lawyer.
And realize this: this is … I forget… but fraud through the US Mail–which is a big deal. And they are actively continuing this fraud.
Plus, I’m amazed our credit card companies don’t get involved in this. I understand that if a merchant repeatedly loses disputes, they get shut off. (I’m Chase and Bank of America.) I think I’ll ask them in my fraud departments. I was fully credited for my measly sum. I did alert the guy at BOA that this was happening to many others (mentioned this blog). He didn’t seem interested though. I’ll call and ask specifically about this.
We all need to think of who we know in law, politics and the post office. And the Media. I’m having some business with the FBI, I think I’ll ask over there for some direction. They’re pretty nice and there’s one friendly guy that I think I can ask.
This is good. It’s a project.
I believe I’ll also print out this entire blog and see what facts I can compile from it. I work better with pages I can hold, flip thru and spread out. Does that make sense? Lawyers like facts and outlines.
And PS: My hurried 30 Sept post had wrong info. LEWISTON is an actual border town. Canada is just across what looks to be the Niagra River, not far downstream from Lake Ontario. BUFFALO is 30-min south (on Lake Erie). If our Alf is Alfred T. Foss of the Buffalo suburbs, that may be of interest. The new office in BALDWINSVILLE is a couple hours East of Lewiston and also a neighbor to Lake Ontario. All in NEW YORK. All cozy with Canada.
PPS: Earl, is it true that we know Ron Garant went to Canada? As in living there?
Okay. Enough from me.
Cath
Hello Catherine,
Heated up … yes … especially since apparent deadline after deadline has passed without any obvious indication of a product as far as I can discern. No one has indicated they have actually gotten the magazine … new issue or ordered back issues. Daily views of this article have increased over 800% since March.
Something gave me the impression that he was in Toronto. I’m not very familiar with the part of New York state where they’re located.
Even with the increased views, only a comparatively small number of people have taken the time to comment or complain. If the current pattern persists and the magazine continues to fail to produce an issue, I suspect this will change over the next few months. Let’s see what happens.
Subscription fees are only part of the cash flow of a publication. Advertising is a significant part of a publication’s income. There’s very limited advertising on the website. Other than viewing old magazines if available, there no way to know who the entities are who might be paying for advertising in the “new” publication. If they were known, it would be interesting to have their perspective and let them share the subscribers’ perspectives of the magazine.
Earl
And I should point out …
In addition to taking people’s money without delivering a product, after viewing a site mentioned in these comments, the publisher isn’t thought too highly of by those who have provided services to it. In other words, it’s not very good about paying its bills … something I got an inkling of when I called the designer of the original website. I wonder if he ever got paid.
Earl
Hi Earl,
Thanks for the the info on this blog!
My last issue was 68 last November (never got 67). I emailed three of the links on their website on Monday but no response yet.
Just thought I would let you and everyone else know of my experience.
Regards,
Greg
Greg,
Thanks for your contribution to the discussion. I presume you have an “active” subscription and haven’t received #69 yet. I noticed you’re in the U.K. Maybe they’re delivering it by rowboat.
Earl
Fyi, it appears the new website they mentioned is up now.
Thanks, Rich.
I checked and see what you’re talking about. Hopefully, things will go well and people will have no further problems. I’m still getting a number of hits on this article but no one has written to say that they are actually receiving the magazine or that problems with receiving back issues which were ordered have been resolved. When those points are firmly resolved and some customer satisfaction is indicated, I’ll post an update. Unfortunately, many of us learned the hard way that flashy websites and empty promises were just that. “Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine” holds a seductive lure for many guitarists who desire to advance beyond simply strumming. Let’s make sure it’s more than that.
Earl
I have not received a copy of the magazine. It was supposed to come out in July, then August. It is now September. How do we know that the “new” owners are not just another FRONT for the rip off artists who have been running the magazine? I’m serious. I have received no indication from the magazine, other than one post on this site, that they ever intend to send out copies of the magazine to people who have been ripped off. So . . . I suggest that NO ONE SUBSCRIBE TO THIS MAGAZINE. They are still in bad standing.
Exactly, Peter. Exactly.
Earl
Oh boy, here we go again. Hate to be a wet blanket, but I’m thinking Peter K. may be right. Ron Garant was/is MI Media, the “former owner” Alf says he bought the magazine from. Ron and George Sheppard were the bad apples in the mix by all indicators.
Ron is still on board and in the same general area (about 2-hrs east). I’m not alarmed that they kept the same phone number, but I do wonder what the draw is to small country towns in upstate NY? The Canadian border? At least Bassics magazine has disappeared from the link with FSG, as well as from the planet (web). Hope it took Sheppard with it. In any event, at present it looks like the operation is out of California. I wonder why. No frigid Lake?
Two curiosities: The new address shares space with a
Mailbox, Etc (ditto MI Media on Hawthorne in Calif), but also Capco Marketing (which publishes a Diabetic magazine and sells multimedia internet & PR marketing functions).
I wonder which coincidence fits with Mr. Foss and what that means to us. Maybe Capco got it to press.
An Alfred T. Foss lives outside of Buffalo, close to the new address, and also hugging Lake Eire. Who are these men and what do they have to do with guitar playing.
Foss is too vague and strangely not forthcoming about his creds. He knows about this blog an must read it (unless he’s a dolt of a business man, in which case we’re still in trouble.) I wonder why he doesn’t respond directly and right here himself?
[and I'm not too crazy about Bill Pilburn anymore either.]
Now I sound like Andy Rooney… the 60-Minutes one.
So, somebody should be getting the infamous #69 shortly. This week? That will be be fun. BUT NOBODY SHOULD EVEN THINK ABOUT SENDING THEM A CENT. PLEASE.
Always too much info. Sorry Earl, it’s either feast or famine
from me, huh.
PS: was sadly too young for OSS myself, but Julia Child worked for Wild Bill in D.C. and had high clearance herself in the Orient.
. Julia taught me to cook…. so there’s the degrees of separation which made your question apropos.
Cath
Catherine,
Your comments always add an extra dimension to this topic and are always appreciated … in their entirety. And I agree with you. Cooking is a good analogy. The entree is always the sum of its ingredients as well as the care of its preparation. People should be considering the ingredients in and preparation of Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine … or the lack thereof.
Earl
I totally agree. I haven’t seen a mag yet either, but I thought I’d pass the changed site along anyway. I replied back to the email I originally got from Mr Foss asking about my subscription (shortly after I posted the info on the website change). If and when I hear back I’ll pass back any new information.
Until then, I’d recommend do not subscribe (or send money) as well.
My experience with Fingerstyle Magazine: I have been a subscriber for a few years now but the last issue I received was 66: more than a year ago! My subscription is still active of course.
I wrote them a few months ago and they answered they would send my back issues but as of today I haven’t received anything and am going to write them again soon, let’s see if the new (new??) management can solve the problem..
I must say that in the past I had no problems with them, not considering the randomness of the issues schedule.
I ordered back issue #53 for my boyfriend and never received. So what the heck, if someone would be so kind as to scan And email the notation and tab for “Bridge over Troubled Water” to hardwareinc@coxinet.net , they would have my undying gratitude
I hope someone reads this and helps you out Nancy.
Earl
Earl, one of your readers came through for me and emailed the tab on Friday. What a saint! I also will always refer to this publication as ” Given U the Fingerstyle” magazine. (brought to you by Pony Express, ‘when it absolutely positively has to be there in 12 to 24 months”). I do hope this new owner comes through for everyone and I will be checking your blog for updates. Keep up the good work you consumer watchdog, you!
Thanks again
Nancy
Nancy,
Just out of curiosity, when did you order the back issue?
Earl
I ordered this last May and my debit card was charged immediately, of course. I was even sent a email notification of sale/receipt.
Nancy
An update. I just had a facebook conversation with one of the writers who was writing a jazz composition and improvisation column for Fingerstyle Guitar when the magazine started going down the toilet under the old management. He mentioned that he is in touch with the “new owners” and that the magazine seems to be back on track. I hope that is the case and that I start getting my copies soon. But I haven’t yet seen anything. So . . . still waiting.
Thanks for the information, Peter.
( … a note to Harry from Alf Foss forwarded to this blog/Earl)
We will have issue 69 finalized in the next 2 or 3 days at which time it will go to press. When I took ownership of the magazine around July 1st, I had hoped to publish this issue around the middle of August but some of the transition issues took a little longer than expected. I can assure you that from this point forward the magazine will be published on a regular schedule. Issue 70 will be published early to mid November and will feature the Certified Guitar Players (CGP’s). This will be the new ownership’s “coming out issue” and will feature new content and over time the magazine will have more pages. I hope to have 100 pages by next June as compared to the 64 pages currently. Also, we will be launching a new website around the same time the magazine is mailed in September. Please check it regularly for announcements about the magazine.
Thanks,
Alf
Harry,
If this is a “copy and paste” from something that you received from Mr. Foss, PLEASE identify it as such. You have had me worked into a frenzy regarding the use of “aliases”.
Earl
And, may I edit your comment to indicate that it is communication that you received. As a rule, I don’t edit others’ comments but a note on yours, at least, seems to be indicated.
Earl
You’re right , Earl . . . my mistake , I should’ve used the same heading as I did on my last post . . .please excuse me =(
Harry
No problem, Harry. I’ll make an edit in parentheses to indicate you forwarded a message. You may have noticed a little bit of frenzy before my first cup of coffee this morning.
Fyi, It looks like the Fingerstyle website has been updated with a slighly new main page. It has the image that was sent on the PDF in my original email. Their press release link doesn’t seem to work though.
Thanks for the update, Rich. I took a look at their website also last night and noted the same things you did … that the press release link didn’t work and the cover of their latest magazine has been updated to the PDF that you forwarded to me. I couldn’t find any mention of Al Foss, simply the note on the top right that the magazine was “under new ownership and management” … otherwise sort of “same ole’ same ole’ “.
Great to know that I am not alone in this whole episode. THanks for bringing it up… I sure hope this is not a repackaging campaign. I will proceed with caution.
I think that if the magazine is truly under new management, they had better air ALL their dirty laundry on the web site and explain that they have fired everyone responsible for the mess and that they will be publishing ON TIME every TWO MONTHS. Otherwise people will presume that they are just making more excuses for their own incompetence or fraudulent activity.
Sending e-mail only to a person or two who is hot enough to complain doesn’t “solve” anything like the kinds of problems that the previous (are they really gone now?) management has created for them. How MANY subscribers do they have? THAT’s how many people they’ve BURNED for the last couple years.
I’d also like to know how many “subscribers” they have. I would presume the website continues to rake in some money for them to keep it active.
Thanks for all the information on this. I was just about to subscribe to FIngerstyle Magazine, but was concerned about the “New Management” posting on their Website. I found this post and learned about the problems.
I’ve been a satisfied subscriber to “Acoustic Guitar” for about 3 years now but I thought I might subscribe to Fingerstyle for a year just to get another perspective on playing. After reading all of this post, I’m gonna renew my AG subscription.
Thanks for saving me $$ and aggravation.
Hey folks, here are a few words exchanged with Al Foss via email
Hi Mr. Foss, My name is Harry and I am wondering if I subscribed now, when should i expect #69 to arrive in the mail ?. I am only concerned because of the former management being unresponsive. Hope to hear from you as soon as possible.
Harry,
Thanks for the email. Always nice to hear from passionate readers.
I do apologize for prior managements behavior. I can assure you that as being the new owner I am putting the proper resources in place to make sure FS is supported on a go forward basis.
If you subscribe now you will receive issue 69 sometime around the middle of August. We are currently in pre-press laying everything out. I am also working on our new website that will hopefully launch the day we ship the magazines out the door.
I have attached our press release from 2 weeks ago. I’m not sure if you have seen it.
Fingerstyle Guitar Press Release 7-6-09.pdf (353KB)
(Basically, the same content in Rich Merek’s return email from Alfred Foss)
Thanks, Alf
Alfred Foss
alf@fingerstyleguitar.com
http://www.fingerstyleguitar.com
I did get a PDF of what was supposed to be the cover of issue #69. According to the email it was part of a promotonal flyer, the text of which I pasted in an earlier post.
I’d be happy to share it but I only have a local copy. Is there a way to upload it to this site?
Pretty cool post. I just stumbled upon your blog and wanted to say
that I have really liked reading your blog posts. Anyway
I’ll be subscribing to your blog and I hope you post again soon!
Here’s some interesting information. MI MEDIA LLC is supposedly located in Torrance, CA.
http://start.cortera.com/company/research/k3m0rwn8l/mi-media-llc
MI MEDIA LLC
21143 HAWTHORNE BLVD
TORRANCE, CA 90503
Phone: (310) 465-1588
(Phone has been disconnected. I was going to say that anyone courageous enough to use the phone, be calm and first find out who OWNS the company; then it’s real address, if possible — but that probably won’t be given; and be prepared to take down )
If you use google satellite maps, it turns out that that address is in a typical Southern California Mini Mall and the actual address is the address of a “Mail Boxes Etc.” In other words, MI MEDIA LLC operates out of a mail drop (as do most fraudulent businesses). Legitimate businesses give their REAL addresses. Perhaps some scheming lawyer set up the LLC (in California) and is collecting subscriptions for magazines that are not being published.
Map of Mail Boxes Etc, 21143 Hawthorne Blvd, Torrance, CA 90503 on … Citysearch® has maps, driving directions, and more for 21143 Hawthorne Blvd, Torrance, CA 90503 in Torrance. Also find . . .
I’ll have to do some more research. California DBAs, for example.
Thanks for the additional info Peter. At least as far as I can tell, nothing’s changed.
Earl
So, there REALLY is a new owner, Mr. Alfred Foss? The man is going to inherit a lot of ill will and people probably are not going to trust that he isn’t just another name behind which a gross scam is operating.
When he says “improve” the magazine, does he mean reinstate its promised 6 issues per year?
By the way, the Los Angeles County Registrar Recorder has a record for MI Media LLC but it does not provide detailed information over the web (why not?).
http://www.lavote.net/Clerk/Business_Name.cfm
MI Media LLC
DBA Document 200050489155
Business Filings and Registration,
Los Angeles County Registrar Recorder
(562) 462-2177
Apparently the state of California considers is a matter of pride not to render any services to its ordinary citizens. Or maybe the registrar recorder exists to PREVENT us from finding out who owns businesses, since the RR phone just keeps repeating the same “please hold” message for 30 minutes with no answer or human intervention. Maybe the country registrar recorder has been in on the scam with MI Media LLC.
If I can figure out how to get the Registrar Recorder to supply any information (for anyone who wants to know the real names of the fraudulent — previous? — owners), I’ll post something here again.
Peter,
So Mr. Foss claims (regarding being new owner). Meanwhile, I can’t see that anything on the website has changed. You would think there would be an announcement on the website regarding that.
Sending an notice about something going to be announced at a future event that occurred a week before your notice was sent seems a little shady to me or, at best, not very bright. Also, it looks like the same old contact numbers are still posted. So, if anything has changed, you would think the new owner would want to change his public interface, the website.
Earl
” Alf ” Foss? I’m not buying it so much. Did Rich Merek actually get the “attached copy of the CAAS Press Release” and if so, may we see it? Am also wondering what volume is considered “the next issue”.
Earl, there HAVE been several changes on the website….in the advertising dept. personnel. I have details. The Rate Sheet, however, hasn’t changed one iota. Have a careful look at the publication schedule on it. (the Bassics one is still showing 2007!). .
Also the creepy George Shepherd seems to be jazzing up the rest of the pages (he’s CDI Media). In fact, I’ve seen him in a video for his other publications (long story) and was not surprised that he’s added his giant-ego photo to the Bassics magazine advertising page. He is clearly very involved in both magazines which is VERY BAD NEWS.
(He graduated from the quite fine Berklee School in Boston which struck me as odd since he’s so slimy.)
Bassics subscribers must be in the same boat. They get the same “changes in the company” voicemail as we have since May. The same Lewiston, NY tel number (and address.)..
I also have two residential addresses for Ron W. Garant (and wife Lynn) in Lewiston, NY. They each list Bassics magazine as their business. One address is in a quite upscale neighborhood; the other (on Plain Street) is very modest and maybe somewhat shabby.
Mr & Mrs Garant are also all over California. They are like gipsys. A regular traveling carnival. Hunting them down physically will be fruitless. This George Shepherd is a bigger worry if he remains involved. (Look into Republic Magazine and the Patriot movement. Patriots my ass.)
Geeze. These people just spit straight in the face of the law, don’t they. Or… what one would hope the law defined as crime. Who knows anymore?.
I’d like to ask Alfie to respond directly to us here. What do you think?
Oh, and didn’t we hear from Bill Pilburn once? I had big hopes for him to be honest. Ran across a mention and photo of him at the Chet Atkins affair (1999). I have his phone number.
Too long and too much info–sorry–but I thought should report some of what I’ve discovered.
I see that Ron Garant is listed by LinkedIn as the owner of MI Media LLC. He also seems to have a facebook profile (if anyone not obviously listed here wants to go befriend him). His Facebook profile lists him as living in Ontario, Canada, rather than Buffalo, New York. Perhaps a few lawyers are on his trail and he had to flee the country.
Facebook:
http://www.facebook.com/s.php?q=Ron+Garant&k=100000020&init=ffs#/profile.php?id=553328749&hiq=ron%2Cgarant&ref=search
I paid for a two year subscription in November 2007!!! Went through all the same that was noted on this blog by others. Almost nil response to phone and email queries. Eventually received two issues 67 and 68. Never received strings. Yet they still advertise to sell subscriptions and past issues. That is the criminal part. The magazine WAS wonderful in the past when it was legitimate. Now, unfortunately, it should be considered a SCAM. I hope the owners of the fraudulent website get what they are due. I hope no one considers buying from them until they read this new and so long needed blog. FG is now stealing from all of us and from the prior good reputation of the magazine and its contributors. Obviously, all the famous names of past FG contributors have nothing to do with it yet their names continue to lure the unsuspecting into this scam. They should be involving in eliminating this scam and the fouling effect is has on their reputation.
I agree with you, Tim … and thanks for the comment. It does seem that those who contributed to the magazine would complain in some way to warn others and try to correct the disservice that is being done to consumers who are lured by their names.
Earl
I had recieved a gift subscription earlier this year but never recieved any magazines, even after sending numerous letters. However I unexpectedly recieved the following email on July 15th.
One would hope this means that things are being streightened out.
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Rich,
Thanks for your email regarding the status of your Fingerstyle Guitar magazine subscription.
I recently purchased the magazine from the prior owners, MI Media, 2 weeks ago and I am working to return the magazine to a regular delivery schedule. While I acknowledge the challenges prior ownership had experienced, I wanted to personally communicate to you that I have committed the necessary resources and management changes to make sure the magazine is properly supported.
I apologize for the delay of you receiving your next issue. You will receive the next issue in about 4 weeks (it is currently finished and in production) and your subscription will continue as usual.
I have attached a press release which was just completed and will be circulated at the CAAS (Chet Atkins Appreciation Society) festival in Nashville starting Wednesday July 8th. It highlights some of the initiatives new ownership will be undertaking to make the magazine better.
I appreciate your patience and loyalty during this transition period and hope you share the same excitement I have regarding the direction Fingerstyle is going. We have some exciting new ideas and content in store for the upcoming issues. If you have any questions please contact me.
Regards,
Alf
Alfred Foss
alf@fingerstyleguitar.com
Thanks for the comments and the attachment of the e-mail from Alfred Foss. Hopefully things will get squared away. I’m assuming Masek is your last name. I’m going to put the e-mail you included as an update to the post for those who may read it from today on. Until there are further indications that the magazine is back on track, the article will stand “as is” but with the update.
Earl
Rich,
When did you receive this e-mail and have you had any further correspondence with Mr. Foss?
Earl
I recieved the email less than a week ago on July 15th. I almost missed it due to a spam filter putting it in my trash, but I managed to notice it before deleting.
I had not replied back to the email since there wasn’t really anything else I needed and it sounded like I still had a couple months before anything showed up.
I did however get a PDF attachment with it a press release dated 7-6-09. The pdf had the cover of issue #69 along with the below text (for those interested)
——————————–
GREAT NEWS!! – Attention subscribers, readers, fingerstyle guitar enthusiasts and advertisers.
Fingerstyle Guitar magazine is under new ownership and management.
The new ownership group promises exciting things will happen to Fingerstyle Guitar and we want you to be a part of it!
Issue #69, featuring the talents of Andy McKee, Tim Sparks, Brad Richter and many more (SEE REVERSE SIDE OF THIS
ANNOUNCEMENT), will be released and on newsstands shortly.
Issue #70, dedicated to the birth of the next generati on of the magazine, will feature the legendary talents of Tommy
Emmanuel, Steve Wariner and John Knowles as well as other Fingerstyle guitar icons will be available on newsstands in
September. This issue will profi le the events of the 25th annual CAAS conventi on and contain informati on regarding the exciting new initiatives in store for Fingerstyle Guitar and its readers including:
• New magazine content and columns to include expanded editorials, product reviews, guest columnists, international
artist reviews, luthier tips and much more.
• Workshops covering styles and techniques including flamenco, country, blues, ragtime, sacred, classical, jazz and
traditional Atkins/Travis picking.
• A new dynamic website with new features such as streaming video and interacti ve content.
• A “digital community” where arti sts and venues can showcase their talents and schedules.
• Forums where enthusiasts can post informati on and share thoughts specifi c to fi ngerstyle guitarists.
• A marketplace for Fingerstyle Guitar magazine and other related guitar merchandise.
• Searchable back issue database functi onality.
• Increased presence and promoti ons at industry events and music festi vals.
• Expanded communicati ons with our readers through Twitt er, facebook, myspace and YouTube.
• 2009 and 2010 publicati on schedule.
Updates and announcements will be made frequently on our website at http://www.fingerstyleguitar.com. Be sure to visit our
website and subscribe to Fingerstyle Guitar, sign up for our newslett er and join our mailing list. You can also email us at:
Subscribers – subscriptions@fingerstyleguitar.com Advertisers – advertise@fingerstyleguitar.com
General Information – info@fingerstyleguitar.com Editorial – editor@fingerstyleguitar.com
For other commercial inquiries please contact: Alfred Foss
Phone: (888) 223-3340
Fax: (908) 292-1172
Email: alf@fingerstyleguitar.com
Well Rich,
I’ve checked the website and I can’t see that anything has changed … including telephone numbers and publisher. I suggest you try to contact Mr. Foss and see what’s up. So far it looks like same ole’ same ole’.
Earl
Just an fyi, I did reply back to the email today. If I get some sort of reply I’ll be sure to post it back here. I also included a link to this posting and encouraged him to reply back here directly.
Otherwise I’m just going to take a wait and see approach.
To Earl & all the other broken families / indivuduals(j/k) , Thank you very much for the preventative measures/warning in this blog. These days I usually search product review forums before purchasing anything online. As a new raving fan of all things fingerstyle, I almost entered my credit card #’s w/out a 2nd thought , then i thought to myself, why not read reviews just to see how great people love this magazine to help feed my excitement. I googled FG magazine , clicked on the link to this page , read a few lines & my heart sank . . .=( . Though I am still disappointed that FG magazine could do such a horrible disservice, I am exremely grateful that all of you took the time to express your ordeals on this issue. You have saved me a great deal of heartache and hard earned cash. I will proceed to warn my guitar buddies to take the same counter-measures & wouldn’t be surprised if a “do-good computer specialist” redirected the subscription process to this page offering a ” Are you sure ? ” security prompt before final checkout. Sounds like “fair warning” to me since the FG magazine management has failed on numerous levels. Anyway . . . . . .You are all angels in my eyes, Earl . . . . Thanks again. =)
Harry
Sorry about your disappointment, Harry, but glad that all of us who have voiced our experiences and concern have been of help to you.
The first indication that I have that Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine is back on track under new management, I’ll pull this post so people can enjoy the pleasure that the magazine should be without concern.
Earl
Oh Earl you.
Don’t you just feel so good about what you’ve done with this blog? One part of which is bringing such dignity and honor to counter bad behavior.
I’m really touched by this experience. It’s lovely that so many just plain decent people can connect like this. It dilutes the ugliness and cheers the spirit.
It’s also learnt me to do as Harry said…look for forums before buying anything. I never saw one before I saw yours and i’ve been warned off several other products since.
You’re like a folk-hero Earl.
The new posting alerts always put a smile on my face. I stop whatever i’m doing to read them. Won’t it be fun if we get to find out the good FSG comes back? Could happen.
All best and I wish for you a lovely summer.
cath
Thanks, Cath.
I’m just one voice. The people that respond with a comment become many voices. That’s what really makes a difference. I’m honored to be a catalyst, though.
Good for you for checking. I have posted information about the FG Guitar fiasco on my Facebook profile. While I am not an internationally known guitar genius, I DO have a LOTof guitarists connected to my Myspace and Facebook profiles. And I am sure that other people here also have the like. Hence it behooves the magazine’s present management to clear things up in a public forum. Bad news spreads fast once it gets out into the right network and people are currently NOT subscribing to the magazine because they have heard the experience that others of us have had.
Hi Earl, Thanks for posting this website. On June 08 my husband ordered a 2 year subsription. We have received 2 magazines since then. I have tried calling them to let them know my husband name is Jerry and NOT John, (they can’t even get the name right )and then when months went by without receiving another magazine my husband sent them a e-mail, well we received issue #68 in Dec. and haven’t received one since. I guess we won’t be getting the remaining of our subscription, but hopefully we can get our money back. Gloria
Thanks for your comments, Gloria.
It looks like we’re getting a time frame for when something went wrong with the publication … or rather when something caught up with the people publishing it.
I can testify to the SAME experience. I ordered a two year subscription and have received exactly TWO issues in two years (rather than 12). I used to pick up the magazine from the Borders Bookstore in my town. I should have suspected something when the magazine stopped appearing on the racks (that they were unable to publish a magazine on anything like a normal schedule).
They are NOT “back up and running” correctly. I received an issue sometime in January and still haven’t seen another since then.
They need to be reported to the New York Consumer bureau so that they can be shut down before they rip off other magazine subscribers.
People need to demand a full refund of their subscriptions.
Peter,
Thanks for your comments and I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Quite frankly, I haven’t known whom to report them to, but your suggestion sounds great. Do you have an address for the New York Consumer Bureau? I’d be more than happy to post it here.
I’m presuming your last copy was #68.
Here are a couple URLs. I am just getting around to filling out the form, with photocopies of my issues with the magazine. Apparently the magazine was ONCE a legitimate operation, but it seems to have degenerated into a fraud run by incompetent publishers. It should have been sold to a legitimate publisher (at bankruptcy prices) ages ago and should not have been allowed to go on this long collecting subscription money when it apparently can’t publish on the promised schedule.
http://www.consumer.state.ny.us/
http://www.consumer.state.ny.us/complaint.htm
Thanks, Peter, for getting this information together for people.
Well… I’ve had a subscription for much of the mag’s existance & have many of the smae complaints I see here. I belive my subscription has maybe 11 or 12 issues left. Ouch.
I’ve been trying to fill in my collection of back issues. I wonder if they’d work a deal for me and fullfill out my subscription with back issues. Mayybe I’ll try asking. Not likely is my guess.
I like Bill Piburn from what he writes. It’s hard to have much faith in him when FG is apparently offering new products created by him.
Good Luck!!
I sincerely mean that.
Earl
I visited your site, Chuck … and liked it.
So, I added a link to it.
I’m not all rabid politics and consumer advocacy.
Earl
Thanks!
I must admit, I’m a bit appalled by all my typing errors in this comment. There appears to be a little creature living in my keyboard who enjoys messing with my spelling. LOL
I let you know what happens when I call the publisher.
Good luck with the back issue thing Chuck. I asked for one back issue to make up for the space between the subscription date of 10/08 and when I actually received #68, 03/09. I heard nothing, received nothing. In the latest email from editor Bill Piburn, he states FG magazine is changing ownership and things will be better……..Keep up the faith Bill!
By the way, I never received any guitar strings, don’t think I ever will.
DW
You know, Dave, I got so mad about everything else, I forgot about the guitar strings. You’re right. They owe people the strings too. That makes it even worse.
Earl
PS:
I just noticed that Bill left a message for the Publisher. When I had read that quickly first, I didn’t make the connection.
Even he can’t reach Ron Grant by phone and has to leave messages. Assuming that’s the Publisher he meant.
I really would like to have a conversation with Bill Pilburn.
Off I go. Rush, rush, rush. Rushing is unhealthy but presently required.
Bye, Catherine
My sympathies are with Bill Pilburn. Many professionals in many fields who are very dedicated to their profession are frequently used by persons who see an angle to make money and have no reservations regarding using others good will to line their own pockets.
Regarding Dave Walker’s suggestion about contacting the advertisers; they, out of all entities concerned, are getting their money’s worth … at least those who are visible on the website. It’s impossible at this point to know if any businesses might have paid for advertising and not had an ad placed on the site. So, I don’t know that those visible on the site have any incentive to do anything. If they’re paying an ongoing fee, they might want to contact the web designer and possibly redirect their payments.
It’s interesting that solicitation, although referring to the site, didn’t come from the site. The whole thing stinks.
As always, your comments are appreciated, Catherine.
Hi Earl,
Was glad to see Dave Walker’s remarks. At least we know #68 made it into print. Also appreciate your remarks. Totally agree that it does not boost confidence that they continue to sell when they can’t meet their obligations to existing sales. They FYI the new tel message does admit to some changes in the company. Am interested to know what kind.
As long as Ron Garant is involved as publisher, it does not bode well for the company. He’s all over the physical map (geographically) and seems to keep moving. Much as crooks must do. He does not impress me as a stable influence for either magazine.
I do notice that the FG advertising guy is new with a NJ telephone number. The guy for Bassis Guitar is a real smarmy type in California. Long story. The whole operation smells, although the Editor–no.
I tracked down the address & tel for, I believe, Bill Pilburn if he’s in Tennessee. It’s in my notes. Had planned to call him to see what’s going on.
Have been much occupied with a very sick friend and didn’t follow-up with you or this business in favor of that with John.
This whole matter really has me annoyed, but also very curious.
Hope you had a fun family reunion. We’re overdue ourselves for one.
All best, Catherine
I have had the same issues as all of you. Purchased two years subscription in Oct. 2008. After many emails and phone calls, finally received #68 in Feb 2009…….nothing since. I suggest you all do what I am doing. I go through the magazine each week and send my letter of disgust regarding the service from FG magazine, to each advertiser and artist whos email address I can locate.
I emailed Bill Piburn, editor for FG magazine. Here is his response:
“First I want you to know I just called the publisher and left a message, I hope this gets resolved right away.
I want you to know that I (Bill Piburn) only works as an independent, selfemployed musician, editor. I do not control what FG does or does not do. I have no finicial interest or ownership in it. I can tell you that like so many, times are very hard and FG is working through this but it does take time. I will do my best to get this resolved. FG is a great magazine, I work hard for that. I understand your feelings. Please hang in with me and this will be worked out. Thanks, Bill”
Whatever Bill………..The issue has not been worked out!
Bottom line, I was taken by an international magizine for $54.95, minus the $8.97 for one magazine received. Send your letters of disgust to all advertisers in FG magazine. DW
Thanks for your input, Dave. Sorry I’ve taken so long to get it posted. I was at a family reunion this weekend.
I understand what Bill Pilburn is saying.
But …
The magazine has a website that we’ve all visited. The magazine is having problems. The publishers could inform persons who are interested in the magazine through that website and keep them informed. They could stop taking people’s money while the problem exists or make sure that those who are subscribing are aware of the problems and try to maintain some semblance of good will. Their silence is DEAFENING while they continue to take people’s money. That is neither good business or representative of a “good magazine”. On that point, I readily and wholeheartedly disagree with Mr. Pilburn.
I appreciate the efforts you are making. I feel that mine has been to write this article online to make people aware of the problem so they can make their own decisions regarding how to proceed.
Thanks again for your input and suggestions.
Earl
Hi Earl,
I got an e-mail from them today, did you get one of these? My hunt pretty much revealed that Ron Garant (and his wife, Linda, I think) had gone pretty much underground. Many addresses, many t owns, none really valid.
Oddly enough, I found myself thinking about this early, early this a.m. and noticed it occurred to me that maybe the ruined good rep of the publication is because this shifty dude had bought it. And then this e-mail was waiting. What do you make of it?
A Fingerstyle Wedding
From: bassicsmag@earthlink.net
Sent: Wed 5/06/09 12:12 AM
To: catherinedonnelly2@hotmail.com
Dear fingerstylist,
The editor of Fingerstyle Guitar magazine has compiled a collection of classic Wedding Songs, complete with transcriptions and tab. This is an e-book you won’t want to miss! To instantly download your copy and get further details, go to:
http://www.fingerstyleguitar.com/html/fs_wedding1.htm
Please do not respond to this email; we will do our best to reply to messages sent to fingerguitar@aol.com. The company is in the middle of a significant change in
ownership, which has caused a delay in responding to messages as well as to other orders, including subscriptions and back issues. It will be rectified soon
and we appreciate your patience as we complete all orders.
Happy springtime! 8^)
Fingerstyle Guitar * http://www.fingerstyleguitar.com
This e-mail message has been sent from MI Media, LLC
I checked out the site and don’t see where anything has changed. Who is the person at the “AOL” e-mail address and who is the person at the “earthlink” address?
People affiliated with businesses which do business on the web generally have e-mail addresses linked to the business’ domain name, particularly retail businesses. The fact that none of these people have e-mail addresses associated with the domain should be a red flag for potential problems.
Frankly, I would consider this an attempt to get some more money by the same people until proven otherwise.
To answer your question, no. They didn’t send me one.
just found an e-mail from them dated today regarding the wedding ebook.
Hiya Earl,
Was much cheered to see your go ahead Sunday night. It’s good for me to have a rational touchstone as I have a tendency to go overboard when people are getting screwed. I think I used the word rabid. It takes alot of time and persistence, but i’m good at it..
You know, i’m every bit– actually more– determined when I encounter a helpful soul in customer service. After the thing is settled, I always get the name & address of their boss, plus the boss’s boss (the latter is key) and write a
glowing letter. That’s what I do to erase the bad juju from the opposite kind of person. So… i’m not a bitch, but can do a great impersonation of one.
And this is a good purpose. What kind of person is okay with screwing people who just want some simple, minding-their-own-business guitar fun? What a buzz kill.
And so now today, I got a big grin when I saw you say: Have At It. I shall and I will report. Planning a big push for this Wednesday. It’ll be raining. Sets the mood.
So thanks again Earl, Catherine
It’s always a pleasure to encounter a kindred spirit. I, too, like to give recognition to deserving souls. Today, so many people act like they’re doing someone a favor by doing their job poorly, that it makes the ones who make an effort to do their job well a true exception.
Hey there
Great post , good info
would like to put a link to it in
My blog
if thats ok with you?
cheers
liran
Thanks. Please do.
OKAY. NOW I’M MAD.
That they are still taking orders is evil, if not criminal. Oh, make no mistake…. it IS criminal.
Their website says to plan on 10-weeks to get the first magazine (see Frequently Asked Questions.). My 10 were up last Tuesday and I thought, hell. Give it a couple more days. Ever the Eternal Optimist (often = Chump). Always quick with ‘the benefit of the doubt’. Take heed ALICE.
Now I am rabidly pursuing them: the tel for what appears to be HDQ in Torrance, CA– and the presumptive office of the publisher Ron Grant– has been disconnected. As was their tel number in CA that my credit card company has recorded.
I left a totally convincing message for the Advertising Dept wanting to place a display ad. That tel works, but no return call. Yet. Sounds like the same voice in the general number lying about Vol. 68.
In any event, both these numbers are based in a small town, Lewiston, NY, near Niagra Falls and currently working and still in business. No accident that both yield them income.
I plan to do a Better Business Bureau complaint in both their states and towns, as well as refer them to the US Post Office Fraud Dept. Letters will fly on the next rainy day.
My credit card is Bank of America. If anyone wants to say what bank they used, I’ll use that in my project. May also facilitate credits for the purchase price. Wish we’d hear back from MARCUS… he spent closer to $400.
Question for SALLY: did she receive a Confirmation E-mail from them?
If anyone wishes to reach me outside of “class”, I’m listed in the phone book and whitepages.com. Sea Girt, NJ. I’d put my e-mail here, but don’t believe that’s permitted.
And EARL… BRILLIANT MOVE. Your !!!!CAUTION!!!! is what caught my eye. Almost missed it otherwise. If you think maybe i’m too mad about this, be frank with me. I’ll leave off the rabid pursuit if you think I should.
Peace & Love to All
Sorry about the late approval of the post … was out of town for the weekend.
No, Catherine. I think all too frequently people are too passive about issues like this. That was why I posted the article in the first place. When I informed my credit card company that I was going to make a post on my blog regarding the issue, the person I was talking to said, “Great!!”
To clarify my “No”, Catherine, I think you have every right and reason to be mad. Have at it!!
Hi Eatl,
I am having the same the problem with Fingerstyle Magazine too. I purchased off the website the Fingerstyle Magazine Vol. 1, on April 4th, 2009 and I have not received the magazine yet. I have call and emailed and NOTHING. I guess that is Customer Service now days.
It’s unfortunate that the site is still up and active, that these people are still able to collect money in spite of the problems people have had.
When I posted this in my blog, I had a suspicion that my experience wasn’t unique and hoped to warn off others before they encountered similar problems.
I would suggest going ahead and contacting your credit card company. Refer them to this site if you’d like so that they can see that your problem isn’t isolated. Ask them if there is something that they can possibly do.
I’ve noticed there are other sites still recommending this magazine.
Good luck.
Earl, you’re too cool.
Wish there was something we could do for you. We know some stuff.
Wonder how poor Marcus is doing with his mess. I think I saw that his set was over $300.
Anyway, have a nice night.
Catherine
Oh wow Earl, your help was way more than you know.
Randy thinks the series from Alfred Publishing Co is exactly what he’s looking for. He’s had some similar in the past, but is thrilled at your suggestion. He’s also keen on looking into all that SheetMusicDirect has to offer.
The notion of a magazine w/ CD every couple of months sounded great. Always something new to look forward to.
But now, thanks to YOU, he has a new series to fool with.
He’s new to living here on the NJ coast and doesn’t have anybody to play with. Thus the interest in the CDs. I don’t play; my fun is rattling the pots and pans.
Thanks alot Earl, Catherine
You made my day! It’s good to know I can help someone.
Thank’s Earl, you’re the Man. Randy had Acoustic Guitar for a
number of years and you’re correct, it’s a fine publication.
The thing that attracted him to Fingerstyle especially were the CDs. Says he does better when he can hear it. Makes sense to me.
In any event, I took out at my credit card statement which has a telephone number for the merchant– in this case MI Media LLC. The tel in Calif is 310-785-8111. It’s out of service. That and my e-mails (plus a reference to these remarks) will be documentation enough to get my $$ back.
I sent them a last e-mail suggesting they change their machine message to the truth. It might be better for them if this is a result of the fiscal crises. If they were tyring to get solvent…. that would be smart. Nobody’s buying the Post Office story anyhow.
Meanwhile, I’m facing the dreaded reality that Fingerstyle is no more. Pity.
Thanks for your good efforts, Catherine.
Sorry I couldn’t help you more.
By the way, when I first posted my article, it was so far down the list that I gave up trying to find it when “googling” it. I did the search again today and found it listed right below their first listing. I’ve finally had enough hits for it to do some good.
P.S. – SheetmusicDirect.com carries several series on fingerstyle playing published by Alfred Publishing Company. They include Fingerstyle, Blues and Jazz series based on fingerstyle playing. They carry you through a number of levels and each book has an accompanying CD.
I’ve started out ordering the three books in the “fingerstyle” series. I think the others, blues and jazz, may have more than three books in each series. The first book is very basic and might be skipped by someone with a little experience.
Oh boy. Lucky I found you guys. You’ve saved me a world of time and aggravation. Me too, also since early Feb 09. I did get an order confirmation though on Feb 10th.
I’ve doggedly tried all the ways of contacting them: phone calls, e-mails, then e-mails that include a record of all calls and e-mails to date etc. etc. I’ve been relentless because my husband REALLY wants this, and he’s had such a rotten time of life lately… you understand.
Bringing out the Bank of America big guns would mean no subscription. I didn’t want that to be. I’ve just been trying to figure out where we would be on the publication schedule and what months were covered by this #68. Thank you, EARL for advising that it was last year’s.. i’m guessing Nov/Dec edition.
This sucks. I expect they’re having the same problems newspapers are having. And no bailout hopes. It appears they may be out of business. With the CD’s and the print media, well it’s got to be super expensive for them.
My condolences to all and especially you MARCUS. That was expensive. Oh my, so much disappointment swamping so many these days. We’ll all, every one of us, tough it out though. Bobbing right back to the surface.
If anybody gets any info that this might get resolved, i’ll be
most grateful. Am checking the box below to get follow-up notices.
Thanks for your time doing this. It’s very cool to encounter considerate people. Catherine
I’ve been trying to figure out where we were on the Feb.
Sorry about your problems but I appreciate your comments. I understand your husband really wanting this. I did too.
Acoustic Guitar Magazine is the closest thing I’ve found to what this magazine claimed to be. I researched the other magazines about fingerstyle playing and even classical. The others seemed to be primarily articles where this seemed to emphasize more playable music.
There’s a place in San Francisco that I’ve ordered music and supplies (strings) from. It’s GSP Guitar at http://www.gspguitar.com. There’s also an internet site, http://www.sheetmusicdirect.com, that carries the largest selection of guitar music that I’ve seen, especially instruction books on various fingerstyle techniques. Acoustic Guitar also has music that can be ordered on their site. Getting the books isn’t like getting a monthly or bimonthly magazine, but it will provide a lot to play and practice with. These are the best sources that I’ve found so far.
If anyone has any recommendations, please add them. I’ve had personal experience with each that I’ve named here and have received very good service in the past. It’s been a while since I ordered from GSP, but recently placed an order with “sheetmusic direct”. I haven’t ordered any books from Acoustic Guitar but their magazine service is very professional.
I hope this helps. I actually have a little more info on Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine but decided not to include it in consideration of the source.
Folks,
i have the same exact issues… this time, I was stupid enough to order all the back issues… credit card bill was charged in early Feb but goods never shipped. When i disputed this amount with credit card company, I finally received an email from RON who basically said too late, its on its way. Emails unanswered most of the time, etc…
One box finally arrived yesterday but guess what, 80% of the magazines did not come with the CDs which was supposed to be part of the magazine..
I am really feeling very frustrated and disappointed with their service.
Be sure to get back in touch with your credit card company and inform them that you didn’t receive the goods you ordered as they were advertised. I would be very persistent in pursuing the refund you deserve.
Vinny,
Thanks a lot for taking the time to write a comment. I have been both hoping that I would hear from others that are familiar with this magazine as well as afraid that I would hear comments like yours.
I actually did get a response from the people there about a week after I notified my credit card company and the card company provisionally recovered my subscription fee. The president offered to send me another copy of #68 claiming the post office ate the other one. I have my doubts.
I wrote the president back, gave him a piece of my mind and said “no thanks”.
I would suggest trying to get part of your money back if you used a credit card.
I’m just trying to warn people so they won’t loose their money and hopefully I will get mine back without further problems.
Earl I have had the same problem. I have been a subscriber since issue 47 and never had a problem until last year. I got 3 issues last year I think and have not gotten any this year. They won’t answer my emails either.
Thanks Rich. Let’s see what happens.
Earl
Catherine,
You didn’t happen to be a member of the OSS in a previous life, did you?
Earl
Catherine,
To clarify … OSS … a compliment … Office of Strategic Services … the WWII “Wild Bill” Donovan group that preceded the CIA.
Thanks Peter for the Facebook info on Ron Garant. I think I’ll pass on the “friend thing”.
Thanks for the information, Nancy.
That’s May 2009?
I’m just trying to put your problem in the context of this supposed “change in ownership”. Standard business practices would imply that a new owner assumes a business’ liabilities as well as assets. Those liabilities would include a business’ unfulfilled sales obligations. I have yet, in all of the hoopla about a “new and better” Fingerstyle Guitar Magazine, seen any hint of an indication that Mr. Foss has any intention of honoring those obligations. Have I missed something?
Earl
If that’s May 2009, your purchase is into its fifth month. Someone could have walked and hand carried your magazine to you within this time within the continental US. It appears the only part of the store that’s being minded is the cash register. I think I’d be contacting my credit/debit card company and bank. I allowed them three months to do nothing.
Remember the July 7 announcement promised “coming soon” which became the “we’re going to press on September 6″ and now it’s October 2. Has anyone actually received this new issue???
Bill Pilburn seems to be talking the magazine up on some Chet Atkins website and the guy, McKee, who’s on the new cover is talking about it on his Myspace blog but where’s the magazine?
Earl
Nancy,
Great!!! I’m glad you got what you needed.
And I love your sense of humor!!! LOL!
Earl
Does anyone know a guitar pickin’ attorney????
More of the people who have subscribed to the magazine need to comment on this article. That would get an attorney’s attention.
It’s amazing how many people put up with mediocrity or out and out dishonesty. I guess a lot of people have been conditioned to accept substandard performance as a fact of life.
That’s why I really appreciate the people who comment on this site … people with high standards expecting the same from others.
Earl
No, Jean.
I don’t think you’re naive. I don’t believe anyone would.
I’m glad you finally got issue #69. One one other person has given me that good news today also.
Let me know what happens about the back issues. Those orders could have, and should have, been taken care of during the entire time the new issue was being prepared. Not filling the back issue orders is abysmal public relations andabhorent management.
Make sure the CD works. Keep me informed about the back issues.
Earl
Thanks for the follow up, Ann.
Has your boyfriend received his current issue yet? I couldn’t tell from your message.
I agree with you about writing something good about a magazine if they do something good.
From you’re perspective they have done something good. Your experience with them is short and it appears that your situation may be resolved shortly.
For those who have a longer experience with the magazine, including the “new owners”, the experience is longer and will require a lot more than one magazine for the “more experienced” subscribers of “Fingerstyle” to feel comfortable with this outfit, old and new. One magazine could be the beginning of a new “Golden Era” for the magazine … or it could simply be what is referred to in the stock market as a “dead cat bounce”. “Dead Cat Bounces” are notorious for sucking the last penny out of naive investors before the stock completely dies.
I’m not convinced that this is a “new” beginning and not simply the dog being thrown a bone.
The “back issue” issue is really very large and brings into question the “new” ownership’s claim of having (adequate) resources. By the “new” owner’s own admission, the previous owner hasn’t been completely out of the picture … and who’s publishing the magazine now? Has that changed? MI Media and the old owners have always appeared to be one and the same.
From what I read above, it appears Mr. Foss or someone had to pony up some more money to get the “rights” to the old issues. Was it Mr. Foss’ money … or new subscribers drawn in by the promise of a new issue?
In my lifetime I have dealt with all sorts of scam artists, from people purporting to be in business to patients seeking narcotics.
If these people are running a legitimate business, then they ought to do it in a way that looks and feels legitimate.
But, they don’t.
If I see a copy at Barnes & Noble, I may buy it … one copy at a time. It may appear more expensive but it’s a lot less than paying full subscription price for one issue.
I really hope everything works out well for you … and, hopefully, I’m simply too skeptical.
Earl
PS: California is a big state!!!
I just received issue #69 yesterday, Oct. 13. It’s been 6 months since I got # 68. The first issued I got was #64 May 2007, so it’s been 2.5 years to get 6 issues.
It sounds like they are trying to turn things around with new management, we’ll see.
Kim
Peter,
I really understand and appreciate what you’re saying.
Some people might say to me, “Well, all you ever do is complain.”
My reply, just like yours is, “I expect no more from others than I expect of myself and what others have expected and demanded of me.”
By the way …
I’m glad you at least got an “annual” issue. After all, your money is committed … even if it’s to half-assed people doing a less than half-assed job.
Earl
Wow, Kim.
Based on the past and current performance you’ve seen … and assuming you originally purchased a two year subscription … that means it’s only going to take 2.5 more years to get your subscription fulfilled. On the other hand, based on Mr. Foss’ currently accelerated performance, the last year of your subscription will only take 2 years to fulfill.
Earl
Great, Ann!!
And Happy Birthday to your boyfriend. I hope all continues to go well.
Sorry about the late approval of the post. I was attending my 40 year high school reunion this past weekend.
Earl